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the EVOLUTION of 11 week old KITTEN MIDNIGHT to over 1 year old leaping ADULT VEGAN CAT above pictures ! 

Leeza Coleman Noelle Obcarskas I get it. I know all about the defensiveness of the uninformed. FROM ALVIN TOFFLER quoting psychologist Herbert Gerjuoy in "Futureshock," this says it all:
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. ”

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Paula Franklin Question for @Noelle Obcarskas -- hi :)Wondering if all the senior vegan cats with longevity that you mentioned are all female? My understanding is that vegan cat food is a lot less potentially problematic with females -- for the obvious reasons of being able to pee out crystals much easier.

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Leeza Coleman Here is an answer from Armaiti May, a vegan vet. Noelle of course will have additional wisdom. 
https://veganoutreach.org/vegan-diets-cats/

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Paula Franklin Well I'll tell ya what I think -- given the huge increase in animal diseases (cancer, diabetes, etc.) and how the disgusting conventional pet food is surely causing them, I'd say whatever the monitorable downsides of vegan pet food are, on balance an animal is alot better off eating clean and nutritionally sound vegan food. I've learned that it's not the source (animal flesh) that matters, it's the nutrition. I plan to take the leap soon to vegan cat food. Just have had to hold off because of several cats in the home prior, some senior and male. I'm also into rescue and foster. Gets too crazy, and expensive. Really don't want to do a guinea pig thing on my babes. But if vegan food is pretty safe for females I feel comfortable doing that. Sadly I am down to three now, two mid-age females and one senior male with early stage CKD.

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THOSE WERE THE AFTER THE TALK COMMENTS....now THE BEFORE THE TALK COMMENTS....

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Vegan Nation radio features vegan cats on Thursday, December 27, 2018, 4 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. Eastern time (9pm London time). Interview withNoelle Obcarskas, a Vegan educator/activist in Chester, Cheshire County, England; and also featuring Lynn Crandall-Weisman & Eric Weisman, the co-founders/owners of Evoluti... See More

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Noelle Obcarskas et voila ! le discours ! je leur explique...ce que veut dire OBLIGER l'origine du mot "obligate" utilisee pour les canivores ! ca veut dire FORCER ! le discours...and now...for POSTERITY here is the recording of the USA radio talk we did ! http://wcuw.org/.../V.N.12.27.18.Evolution.VeganCats... I mention Vegan Cats open public group English language cats group where posts of thousands of members can be read https://www.facebook.com/groups/126322004672/ and the France French vegan cats group Chats et Chiens végétaliens (VegAnimalis.com)https://www.facebook.com/groups/329178813798232/ and the Germany German Vegan Cats group Vegane Katzen. https://www.facebook.com/groups/vegankatzen/ and I mentioned Vegan Cats and Dogs United English language group.

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Noelle Obcarskas and now...for POSTERITY here is the recording of the USA radio talk we did ! http://wcuw.org/.../V.N.12.27.18.Evolution.VeganCats...

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Noelle Obcarskas ps....to grin like a Cheshire cat is a very old English expression. Lost in time. However ! Lewis Carroll a devout Christian wrote the Adventures of Alice in Wonderland and the Cheshire Cat was a major player in the story. 

“Please, would you tell me,” said Alice, a little timidly,… “why your cat grins like that?”

“It’s a Cheshire cat,” said the Duchess, “and that’s why.”

From Lewis Carroll’s 1865 novel, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Did the Cheshire Cat really EXIST however other than in the story of Alice in Wonderland ? well YES ! it is on a CHESHIRE CHURCH in WARRINGTON ! Grappenhall a cat carved below the west window of the St. Wilfrid Church in the Grappenhall Warrington village, in Cheshire, the County that Lewis Carroll was born. So I have updated the webpage of real life Vegan Cats starting with the CHESHIRE CATS ! http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Cats_List_Examples.html and the PULFORD CHESTER CHESHIRE CAT is up there ! and one can listen to the recorded talks on a link on that page. It is only right and fitting...that a Chester Cheshire cat started to lead us out of the dark into the light.

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Noelle Obcarskas the inspirational cat ! Photograph of the 16th century, sandstone carving of a grinning w:Cheshire Cat on the west wall of w:St Wilfrid's Church tower, w:Grappenhall, w:Warrington, Cheshire. Said to have been Lewis Carroll's (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson's) inspiration for the Cheshire Cat character in his children's book- Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. Carroll's birthplace of w:Daresbury is adjacent to the village of Grappenhall, Warrington, Cheshire https://upload.wikimedia.org/.../Sandstone_carving_of...

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Noelle Obcarskas Let us also clear up the myths that some pet owners use as justification for feeding animal parts of dead bodies. There are generally 2 "camps" of those trying to defend feeding dead animals bred and killed by humans to their pets...1st those who claim "no animals specifically died for petfood" and 2ndly those who claim they feed only the "best" flesh parts of animals to their pets on the grounds that their pets are more important than other animals' lives (these tend to be the raw feeders who ignore that no national vet organisation in the World recommends but strongly is against raw feeding of pets) It is simply NOT TRUE that animals are not bred and killed specifically for petfoods. There are many clearly breeding such animals petfood manufacturers easy to find on google alone that breed their own turkeys chickens lambs pigs cows rabbits etc specifically for their and others' petfoods and who buy in animals of human grade for petfoods labelled premium. Those using parts of animals' bodies like hearts and kidneys etc that are not used as much in the human food chain are a source of ENORMOUS PROFITS to those industries so less animals would be bred and killed if human consumption consumers paid the full price for their meat. If people think feeding the "crap" of below human standard 20 percent of animals who are killed or die before reaching slaughter for human grade meat think those animals were not those who suffered the MOST can realise they are buying in effect the most suffering animals. What in contrast does a vegan fed cat suffer ? none of those sufferings and certainly not death. It is therefore not justifiable to use the suffering and deaths of other animals that humans breed and kill for pets. No "choice" about their food or death is given to those bred and killed by humans animals. Feeding "crap" that is subject to recalls toxins and uncertain not needing to be on labels parts of animals' bodies is not healthy compared to highly controlled vegan petfoods with none of those unknowns and crap in them.

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Max Summers Doesn't change the fact cats are obligate carnivores, this is animal abuse, Chimps in captivity are getting serious health problems, because of the stupid 100% plant diet they're being fed, same will happen to cats. Humans aren't even herbivores, we last a decade at the most as "healthy" on this diet. Please stop abusing animals, if you're not willing to feed an obligate carnivore meat, don't get a fucking obligate carnivore as a pet. Simple.

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Noelle Obcarskas Max Summers there are so many inconsistencies and irrelevant comments in your statements without any foundation or evidence....that it is difficult to know where to start. I suggest simply you read and accept that vegan cats live healthily to 20 years old examples provided..and any cat not getting the nutrients needed would be dead in weeks not months So the matter is obviously proven.

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Noelle Obcarskas Max Summers there are so many inconsistencies and irrelevant comments in your statements without any foundation or evidence....that it is difficult to know where to start. No mention of what nutrients are allegedly missing is not useful ...that is the least that anyone objecting should be able to provide. I suggest simply you read and accept that vegan cats live healthily to 20 years old examples provided, and any cat not getting the nutrients needed would be dead in weeks not months. So the matter is obviously proven. When people stick to a view they hold....be it that the earth is flat not round....there is nothing further to say. It is actually very simple....vegan healthy cats have lived 20 years....so the matter is proven. Views on taxonomy classifications based correctly on what wild lions would have eaten as "forced" to due to not having the adequate nutrients available to them historically....are facts. I do not see why the anger of swearing either....for someone not bothered about killing animals it is illogical to bother about what other people do with their animals. Giving orders to get this or that animal is a waste of time. We have our vegan fed cats already so a silly pointless instruction that is just something people robotically come out with. Now you have had your moment of giving orders to others..hope it relieves you of your inner turmoil. End of discussion. Simple indeed.

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Noelle Obcarskas ps actually monsieur....not wising to enter a chimpanzee diets in zoos discussion here I just address the human diet issue. We should be aware that the World Health Organisation has strong warnings about the increased high risks of cancers from flesh eating...poultry are stuffed with 70 percent of the world's antibiotics just to keep them alive 6 weeks before killing them....causing serious antibiotics resistance in humans AND their pets who eat flesh....prostate and breast cancer strongly affected by the high natural hormones in cows milk intended to grow an animal the size of a cow not a human....calcium leaking out of our bones causing osterperosis high levels....there is not ONE vegan balanced diet that has any such warnings for our health. All the problems with wheat etc intollerance are due to it being in recent years gmo different as is animal feed soy so has created intollerances etc. Why do we have to feed ourselves gmo ? because we need so much land to produce inefficient masses of crops to process nutrition via flesh ! cut out the middle man...get nutrients that are healthy is what is needed. The source is irrelevant ! but surely since plants are the source of all those nutrients we do not need to process them unhealthily via flesh full of suffering as well as additives that cause health problems to us and the planet.

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Noelle Obcarskas And finally I repeat that no vegan fed cat is suffering or unhappy to eat with relish the food we put in their bowls that is full of healthy nutrients they need to outlive their dying extinct even wild counterparts. Cruelty is death..for animals that want to live. Cruelty is the PAIN that the frankenstein turkeys chickens feel and suffer that we humans force on them from the day they are born or when forcibly impregnated as standard in a totally unnatural process. My "organic" turkeys suffer enormous pains in their legs hearts and cannot even FLY as they naturally should be able to....all that CRUELTY is unnatural and animal abuse.

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Noelle Obcarskas Seeing a few hostile comments...not checking if from so called vegans or non vegans....I think actually only this morning leaving some other so called vegan groups did i realise what the big problem out there is. It is about the FUNDAMENTAL 1ST PRINCIPLES of VEGANISM itself that are not either understood or agreed out there. yet PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) did make it clear in one of their slogans....ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS ! to use ! If we agree that ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS...how can we USE their bodies to feed preferred PETS we also OWN ? here is the root of the problem of getting to understanding animal abuse. So many actually DENY that people OWN PETS ! in blind delusions that the chips we put in them the testicles we cut off them the houses we have them live in the food we put in their unnatural bowls is NOT OWNERSHIP ! when it is ! So many people do not see the contradiction in having testicles cut off to FORCE animals to never have famiies of their own and do NOT want an END to PET OWNERSHIP or ANIMAL OWNERSHIP to end that this means people then say...well actually these "pets" are "my fur babies" some eternal prisoner dependents on humans unlike human children who get to leave home and be FREE when adults....and since we OWN these "pets" we have cut the testicles etc off we can KILL ANIMALS that humans BREED and FORCE TO DIE for them ! it is not ethical...not vegan....to BREED AND KILL ANIMALS ! if we do not OWN animals we have no RIGHT to do so.

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Noelle Obcarskas I suggest...a read of the The Abolitionist Approach to Animal Rights - Translated Gary L. Francione essay on the subject is useful...http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/pets-the-inherent.../ and his 6 PRINCIPLES OF VEGANISM....that starts with...the principle that ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS...should not be treated as "property" as they currently are under the law. If we try to pretend "pets" are not "owned" by us but "farm animals" are "owned" by us so we can kill the "farm animal" ones we do not call our "fur babies" then we are speciesist and delusional.

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Noelle Obcarskas Here is the 1st PRINCIPLE of Veganism ...https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/.../the-six.../ "Principle One

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Noelle Obcarskas Without even going to the "minimal harm" vegan principle next...which would clearly show the illogic of killing 1000 chickens to feed 1 pet cat over 1 lifetime if fed kibble or a mix of flesh and veggies....minimal harm is not 1000 to 1 life decided on deliberately by a human. Without even that failure to respect that vegan principle...how can ANYONE claiming to be VEGAN justify USING ANIMALS AS RESOURCES ? and in the same breath say....I DO NOT OWN THIS PET ! THIS PET IS MY COMPANION BUT NOT THOSE PIGS CHICKENS SO IT IS OK FOR ME TO KILL THOSE !

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Noelle Obcarskas Animals are NOT MEAT ! not to a so called VEGAN ! they have NAMES ! meat is a term for CARNISTS who see ANIMALS AS RESOURCES and kill animals as they are THINGS like MEAT. A PET ANIMAL is owned by a human no matter what fuzzy words people try to use...no one gave birth to a cat if a human....no vegan has the right to prefer a cat as a species to a chicken and USE CHICKENS as fodder for food for an OWNED PET CAT. To try and justify this speciesism and animal abuse on the grounds of SOME ANIMALS ARE OWNED and OTHERS ARE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY Is pure delusional unethical injustice to animals.

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Noelle Obcarskas IF...and it is CLEAR except to the deliberately BLIND that healthy vegan cats exist...IF it were NOT possible to feed an OWNED PET CAT (ignoring the silly evasive words like fur babies reducing adult prisoner animals to the dependent forever status) VEGAN FOOD that has been proven by the petfood standards needed for their species as appropriate and digestible....THEN IT WOULD STILL NOT CONDONE USING ANIMALS AS RESOURCES TO BREED AND KILL THEM FOR A PET ONE ! Not ethically ! not based on MINIMAL HARM grounds ! or VEGAN PRINCIPLES grounds ! 1000 animals lives to 1 is NOT MINIMAL HARM.

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Leeza Coleman Listen here:
http://www.wcuw.org/.../V.N.12.27.18.Evolution.VeganCats...

The interview is with vegan educator, activist Noelle Obcarskas. The real stars do not get to speak: 20-year-old vegan feline personage Celine; vegans Midnight and Little Tyke who are shining living demonstrations of the way the plant kingdom can do it all.

Noelle explains that she counters the comments of doubters with fact, science, and logic.

The second part of the show opens with Will Tuttle's music: this time, The Turkey Song. His music never gets old! Love it!

Marlene gives a shout out to senior Celine - a courageous survivor, who is alive because of her vegan diet. A shout out to co-founders and co-owners of Evolution Pet Food, Lynn-Crandall and Eric Weisman, who have been in business for 30 years, includes a clip of Eric's talk at The World Vegan Summit.

Noelle Obcarskas - Vegan educator, activist
https://www.facebook.com/noelle.obcarskas
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Lynn-Crandell Weisman - co-founder, co-owner of Evolution Pet Food
https://www.facebook.com/lynn.crandallweisman

Eric Weisman - co-founder, co-owner of Evolution Pet Food
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The World Vegan Summit - Eric Weisman was a speaker
https://www.facebook.com/worldvegansummit/

Evolution Pet Food
https://www.evolutiondietstore.com/main.sc;jsessionid...

Only when every home is a cruelty-free zone will there be a possibility of a cruelty-free world. Every act of violence has an echo whose reverberations never stop doing damage.

Thank you, Marlene Narrow and Vegans Rising/Vegan Nation WCUW!

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Vegans Rising/Vegan Nation WCUW Thank YOU, Leeza Coleman!

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Evolution Diet Pet Food Corp. Hi Marlene; I look forward to joining your program for an interview on Wed. Dec. 27th, 2018. I am sure you mean 3:00 - 3:30 PM Central Time. Thank you so much for helping our Non Human Friends and the kind invitation. According to a recent study quoted by Will Tuttle 1/3rd of all Animals slaughtered by Humans is used for Cat & dog Foods.

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Noelle Obcarskas yep we use PETS like toys....force them into silly hats costumes to anthromorphologise them to suit our human idea of "fun" ridiculing them as they have no understanding or liking of what we dress them up as for our entertainment. They have no idea of "birthdays" or "festival days" yet we push them into ridiculous outfits to amuse ourselves. Nothing "natural" about this hey. At least putting FOOD in a dish IS of interest to an animal not our other fantasies...https://www.facebook.com/.../a.954314.../956958214467306/...

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'yep we use PETS like toys....force them into silly hats costumes to anthromorphologise them to suit our human idea of "fun" ridiculing them as they have no understanding or liking of what we dress them up as for our entertainment. They have no idea of "birthdays" or "festival days" yet we push them into ridiculous outfits to amuse ourselves. Nothing "natural" about this hey. At least putting FOOD in a dish IS of interest to an animal not our other fantasies..what we have here as in all these "dressing up" and "paw waving" to emulate human gestures and outfits is pure disrespect to the animal that has no understanding or liking of this treatment of them. What we REALLY like about our "pets" is their COMPLIANCE to OUR needs as toys entertainment.'

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ridicule of an animal to suit human anthromorphological needs to patronise non human animals like toys in effect. Does this animal CONSENT to this ridicule ? understand it ? no. we humans impose force our silly ideas on our pets to amuse ourselves.

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yep we use PETS like toys....force them into silly hats costumes to anthromorphologise them to suit our human idea of "fun" ridiculing them as they have no understanding or liking of what we dress them up as for our entertainment. They have no idea of "birthdays" or "festival days" yet we push them into ridiculous outfits to amuse ourselves. Nothing "natural" about this hey. At least putting FOOD in a dish IS of interest to an animal not our other fantasies..what we have here as in all these "dressing up" and "paw waving" to emulate human gestures and outfits is pure disrespect to the animal that has no understanding or liking of this treatment of them. What we REALLY like about our "pets" is their COMPLIANCE to OUR needs as toys entertainment.

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Noelle Obcarskas Take me to a VET and cut my Testicles off please....said no cat. Artifically inseminate unnatural farm breed animals and kill me...said no forced to be killed farm animal humans force that on without their consent either. THEY get no CHOICE about their food either. Do not go shopping for food in tins or frozen or in packets. Nothing "natural" about any of that at all. The USA with a human population of just under 400 million people has just under 200 million PETS (mostly dogs and cats) living in human houses unnaturally and not part of any natural ecosystem. Europe has about 140 million pet dogs and cats for a similar human population to the USA. 4 Million per year are killed as discarded unwanted property in the USA (no legal need to account for the numbers as a whole). HALF of all discarded abandons in any country are destroyed. NONE of those massive numbers of 200 million pets (mostly dogs and cats, In 2017 the total number of cats owned as a pet in the United States amounted to about 95.6 millions. In the same year, some 68 percent of all U.S. households owned at least one pet.) in the USA would survive independently in the non existent ecosystem out there without humans feeding them unnaturally produced food.

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Arrate Txu Cats are strictly carnivores and if you really feed them vegan food, I hope someone will rescue them from you. 
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Noelle Obcarskas not bothered about rescuing the animals you kill yourself i see...their lives do not matter to you obviously. so why be bothered about cats thriving on vegan food ? hypocrisy. If you think it is ok for humans to breed and kill animals...then you cannot really care what any animal is fed that it thrives on. There is no logic to your preference for cats to other animals it is like prefering white people to black people. No one is going to "save" any vegan fed cat from anyone. Animals are property under the law everywhere. We can kill them eat them ...far more drastic than what we feed them. http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Cats_List_Examples.html

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Arrate Txu Noelle Obcarskas Me killing animals? Carnivore animals thriving with vegan diets just because you obblied to eat against their nature? Animals being mistreated than cannot be separated from someone who thinks she knows better than nature? Nice try... and then you even have the courage to type “hypocrisy” in your post.

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Arrate Txu Noelle Obcarskas Me killing animals? Carnivore animals thriving with vegan diets just because you obblied to eat against their nature? Animals being mistreated than cannot be separated from someone who thinks she knows better than nature? Nice try... and then you even have the courage to type “hypocrisy” in your post.

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Noelle Obcarskas Arrate Txu why the ? question mark about killing animals ref yourself...that is what you advocate for a pet cat is it not ? clear in your hostile comment about feeding healthy vegan catfood to a cat. You fail to understand that the petfood authorities themselves have criteria that the vegan petfoods sold have to meet and in fact exceed ! so your ignorant view about animals taken away to be KILLED i add as millions per year are destroyed as rubbish humans no longer want ...is ridiculous. Not going to happen...animals destroyed is your wish in your ignorance also about the millions of animals destroyed that people throw out like garbage property they do not want anymore.

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Noelle Obcarskas Or are you unaware that the USA destroys 4 million unwanted garbage property pet cats and dogs per year ? Did you think that USA society CARES about those 4 million to not kill them ? wake up. Cats and dogs are garbage property people can destroy when no longer wanted.

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Noelle Obcarskas I hope you read and consider this issue of the how we understand and apply the principle of "animals are not ours" better....because if we agree that "animals are not ours" to use...then we cannot justify using them as resources. Links provided. The 1st principle of vegan ethics is...we should stop owning animals and using them as resources because we do not have the moral RIGHT to OWN ANIMALS....and that means killing bred by humans forced to be bred and forced to die animals.

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Noelle Obcarskas i went out of cat curiosity onto your page...you are active to save feral cats....articles about spaying castrating feral cats issues. Australia is culling 2 million gone feral cats you may be aware of. Many feral cats are destroyed if they do not star…See More

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Noelle Obcarskas The truth is rather unpleasant but it would be facing the truth to admit...rats..cats...are pests. Rats carry diseases that endanger human life if allowed to proliferate living off human garbage mostly. Cats are pests that destroy real wildlife to mass populations...40 percent of all wild birds are killed by domestic cats. Real wildlife has globally declined by 70 percent in the past 40 years everywhere from hedgehogs birds to elephants. Animal agriculture is the main cause of reduction of their habitats to grow plants to feed animals killed for humans and pets to eat. Pet protein based on animal content would be the 5th largest population continent in the world ! it is a huge contributor to disappearance of real wildlife. DOMESTIC BREED animals be they farm ones or pet ones are not part of any natural ecosystem. They are a massive cause of destruction of the real ecosystem and the extinction of the domesticated species is desirable. Pet ownership cessation is desirable. AS I TYPE UK TV just said PET OWNERSHIP IS DECLINING....this is GOOD NEWS ! less pets means less rescues killed and LESS ANIMALS OWNED as prisoners.

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Noelle Obcarskas i actually realise the hardest thing for humans to ever accept is NOT OWNING ANIMALS ! as PETS or FARM Animals but most difficult to accept is stopping pet ownership as an ethical vegan goal. People ENJOY owning PETS is the unfortunate truth and that is why we use fuzzy terms like "companion animals" to cover up the truth that we OWN animals as pets. So many people cannot envisage a life or world without pets...and do not realise saying things like..well there will always be RESCUES full of abandons is using that as a convenient excuse to own pets. I actually disagree that breeders are the problem...it is PET OWNERSHIP ITSELF that is the real problem. A minimal number of specifically bred for purpose dogs and cats end up in rescues because people WANTED those animals enough to pay for them. The vast numbers of pets in rescues are the non pedigree unfashionable or not attractive nature or looks animals of mixed origins. Breeds of animals like huskies that can never be let off leads ...forced their entire prisoner lives to walk at the heels of a human on a leash. Fighting dog breeds that are unruly too boisterous for human society or dog social behaviour without massive "lobotomising" dog training expense to force them into human society acceptable behaviour.

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Noelle Obcarskas The words used "get rabbits" shows our real attitude to non human animals. They are THINGS we "get" like anything we choose to GET. In our minds....no matter what fuzzy words like "companions, fur babies" we use only i add for PETS we own not terms given to FARM ANIMALS we KILL for these PETS....animals are "THINGS" that we "GET" just like anything else we own and "get". Whether pets or farm animals...non human animals are deep down no matter what fuzzy words we like to use to cover up the truth...things...resources....to "get" as we please. so what we feed these "things" we "get" compared to KILLING ANIMALS we do not consider interesting enough to pet as pets on our laps...is irrelevant in comparison to death itself we FORCE on THINGS we GET.

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Noelle Obcarskas fyi...i did "GET" farm breed animals...turkeys in fact. That are often in catfood that is non vegan of course. So ? they are sickly in pain animals as Frankenstein unnatural bred by humans to be HEAVY too heavy to FLY as their natural ancestors could....they suffer pains in hearts respiration breathing problems and arthritis in their legs under their unnaturally heavy bodies as standard. THEY SUFFER VISIBLY unlike my healthy no pain vegan fed cat and dogs. WHO CARES ? not those USING these turkeys suffering unnatural bodies to feed a PET CAT ! yet i am not the COWARD or HYPOCRITE that others are who say..."GET" a turkey or rabbit not a cat....i GOT turkeys and I DECIDE ! WHO LIVES AND DIES AND WOULD KILL WHOEVER HAS TO DIE OR I CHOOSE TO DIE MYSELF ! rather than hide behind others doing that dirty killing job for me. http://vegan-information.com/Black_Christmas_Bronze... right now...the sickliest of the 5 turkeys i "GOT" was a death's door struggling to breath with mycoplasma...one vet wantd to KILL her euthanise her....i keep medicating her...she has suffered this disease all her 1 year short life. Of course commercial turkey farms CULL such sick turkeys. Animals lives are not important to commercial slaughter meat industry business. Does she WANT to die ? I cannot tell animals cannot SPEAK ENGLISH to say what they want....certainly they would say NO to having their TESTICLES cut off but humans FORCE that on them anyway of course. Animals stop eating if they want to die....she struggles to try keep eating so i will NOT play GOD and take her life. Animals in the wild die without vets euthanising them....I will NOT take her life. Last night I left some so called vegan group who said I SHOULD KILL MY SICK TURKEY HEN. The very same people into feeding bred and killed by humans animals to their PET cats they have cut the testicles off and deprived of ever having a natural life and family of their own and feed unnaturally as hairless ape humans feeding another species of animal ...that in itself is totally UNNATURAL ! these people....choose to decide that a turkey hen who gives NO CONSENT TO HER DEATH SHOULD DIE ! ? talk about playing GOD hey. We "GET" the animals we want...KILL those we do not like as much to own as PETS...and cut the testicles off the ones we keep as PETS. Do we think a cat has any idea or cares what is in the dish of food a hairless ape human unnaturally places in front of her ? i am just surprised we have not tried teaching these PETS to eat using knives and forks ! since when do wild animals eat off PLATES ? use LITTER TRAYS ? sleep on couches ? live in human houses ? the entire argument for NATURAL LIFESTYLES is flawed....deeply flawed...we SHOULD NOT BE FEEDING ANY NON HUMAN ANIMAL IN OUR HOMES IN THE 1st PLACE to be NATURAL !

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Noelle Obcarskas It is time...run out for millions already ...for us humans to fund vets to SAVE REAL WILDLIFE ! what is LEFT of it out there ! instead of this pathetic selfish PET SPECIES FOCUS ! There are more pet domestic and gone feral domestic breed pet CATS in 1 city today than the ENTIRE WORLD POPULATION OF JUST 20 THOUSAND WILD LIONS LEFT in the world ! only 4 thousand wild tigers only left in the entire world...THEY ARE EXTINCT SPECIES for all intent and purposes ! due to this PET OWNERSHIP and ANIMAL AGRICULTURE with the huge factor of PETFOOD obsession of a totally UNNATURAL existance controlled by HUMANS !

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Noelle Obcarskas is it ethical ? is it DIGNIFIED ? is it NATURAL ? for humans to breed suffering chickens 19 adult size ones at age 6 weeks old when they are killed in 1m2 cages ? suffering internal heart pains leg pains etc ? to feed a PET CAT ? is THIS NATURAL ? of course not...is it ETHICAL to live off such PAIN AND SUFFERING AND DEATH that those animals GOT NO CHOICE about ? of course not. HUMANS are just using their POWER to ABUSE these animals to indulge their FANTASIES that they have some mini toy lion in their homes to pet and ignoring half of a family of wild lions DIES in the wild naturally ...takes these PET cats to vets to have injections testicles cut off etc and do not educate themselves to get out of the fantasy delusions and understand TAURINE IS SYNTHETIC SO VEGAN IN ALL PETFOODS WHEN ON THE LABELS ! so why pretend that all pet cats are not alive thanks to VEGAN SYNTHETIC nutrients in the 1st place ? the rest in "meat" ? what is it they need ? if no DETAILS given...which is not possible as obviously the nutrients in vegan catfoods ARE there or the cats would be DEAD FAST ! then stop the fantasies and learn the truth and face up to truths better is my advice.

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Noelle Obcarskas Why are vegan fed cats not sick and dead within weeks if they are not getting the nutrients they need in their human created petfood ? if anyone objecting cannot come up with a more DETAILED reason for this...then i suggest facing the truth of the facts is best read up on to understand the WHY. Any animal not getting its species specific nutrients needs WOULD GET SICK AND DIE FAST...it would NOT take 20 YEARS to achieve ! some common sense is needed i suggest. FYI one response to these 20 year old examples of vegan fed cats i got was...well if the cats had been fed MEAT/ANIMALS they would have lived EVEN LONGER ! that is how RIDICULOUS and in DENIAL of FACTS people become when wanting to believe fantasies against evidence and common sense !

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Noelle Obcarskas Another "in denial" wishful thinking objection when presented with the FACTS that cats lived 20 years fed vegan was..."those are exceptions" well you see people will try ANYTHING to deny the common sense truth that contradicts their beliefs based on simplistic historic spouts of "obligate carnivores" which is a correct taxonomy classification of WILD LIVING EXTINCT CAT SPECIES like lions and tigers who have no ACCESS to the nutrients they need and die anyway half of the family do NOT make it to even adulthood in the wild. A CAT IS A CAT ! if not some "supernatural being" with needs totally different to its species..NO CAT would survive even 1 YEAR on a diet that did not meet its species needs. SOME common sense is needed to dispell this "cognitive dissonance" that seeing healthy vegan fed cats problem people have. If any cat...were not the same as the species cat generally....even allowing for individual genetic differences and propensities to diseases any cat species can get and do....no cats would be so EXCEPTIONAL to thrive on diets that their species need if those nutrients essential to the cat species were not provided in their diets.

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Noelle Obcarskas well this ex Capricorn Animal Rescue well socialised kitten now an adult vegan leaping cat was on USA Radio yesterday...the recorded talk...et voila ! le discours ! je leur explique...ce que veut dire OBLIGER l'origine du mot "obligate" utilisee pour les canivores ! ca veut dire FORCER ! le discours...and now...for POSTERITY here is the recording of the USA radio talk we did ! http://wcuw.org/.../V.N.12.27.18.Evolution.VeganCats... I mention Vegan Cats open public group English language cats group where posts of thousands of members can be read https://www.facebook.com/groups/126322004672/ and the France French vegan cats group Chats et Chiens végétaliens (VegAnimalis.com)https://www.facebook.com/groups/329178813798232/ and the Germany German Vegan Cats group Vegane Katzen. https://www.facebook.com/groups/vegankatzen/ and I mentioned Vegan Cats and Dogs United English language group. http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Cats_List_Examples.html

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Now. I think like most vegans that IGNORANCE is why anyone doesn't make CHANGES needed to anything in our lives. I like most was IGNORANT of even the way cows milk didn't just flow on tap without producing babies that were taken away AT ONCE and KILLED ! or that male baby chickens are ground up ALIVE as part of the EGG industry ! this is barbaric ! but when you don't realise...that animals bred today are FREAKS that suffer pain in chests and legs as part of the norm of their aweful purpose of existence we human farmers have done to get more money out of these verbally handicapped living creatures...well...ignorance about WE DONT NEED THEM AS FOOD even as it is POISONING us...

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