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the EVOLUTION of 11 week old KITTEN MIDNIGHT to over 1 year old leaping ADULT VEGAN CAT above pictures !
Leeza Coleman Noelle Obcarskas I get it. I know all about the defensiveness of the uninformed. FROM ALVIN TOFFLER quoting psychologist Herbert Gerjuoy in "Futureshock," this says it all:
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. ”
Paula Franklin Question for @Noelle Obcarskas -- hi :)Wondering if all the senior vegan cats with longevity that you mentioned are all female? My understanding is that vegan cat food is a lot less potentially problematic with females -- for the obvious reasons of being able to pee out crystals much easier.
Leeza Coleman Here is an answer from Armaiti May, a vegan vet. Noelle of course will have additional wisdom.
https://veganoutreach.org/vegan-diets-cats/
Paula Franklin Well I'll tell ya what I think -- given the huge increase in animal diseases (cancer, diabetes, etc.) and how the disgusting conventional pet food is surely causing them, I'd say whatever the monitorable downsides of vegan pet food are, on balance an animal is alot better off eating clean and nutritionally sound vegan food. I've learned that it's not the source (animal flesh) that matters, it's the nutrition. I plan to take the leap soon to vegan cat food. Just have had to hold off because of several cats in the home prior, some senior and male. I'm also into rescue and foster. Gets too crazy, and expensive. Really don't want to do a guinea pig thing on my babes. But if vegan food is pretty safe for females I feel comfortable doing that. Sadly I am down to three now, two mid-age females and one senior male with early stage CKD.
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Leeza Coleman thank you....because in the discussion here it raised easy now to pick up and post information more reader friendly on a webpage lol ! cutting out NAMES of course wink wink. IMAGINE ! what the vegan cat feeders of 20 years ago had to face without so many of us out there hey ! they took the plunge...without any experiences available to them but TRUST in the petfoods experts had made ! and people lashed out at them of course worrying them massively i am sure ! |
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Noelle Obcarskas am reading and rereading all of your comments. thank you for putting so much time into this! A wealth of information. |
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Leeza Coleman ok ! well THAT picture can be the INTRO PICTURE of YOUR VEGAN CATS PAGE soon we hope lol ! |
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Leeza Coleman ok ! well THAT picture can be the INTRO PICTURE of YOUR VEGAN CATS PAGE soon we hope lol ! |
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Noelle Obcarskas Thank you! |
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adding...the PEAS had a recent Mike Creighton immediate good result on 7 pH urine test. INERT YEAST like VEGEYEAST is also good....some use ENGEVITA the human inert yeast supplement but some are unsure if that is as effective as the specially formulated for dogs and cats vegeyeast from Compassion Circle. However veggiepets UK were out of stock recently of vegeyeast so suggesting engevita as alternative. |
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Vegetarian feline diets
vegepets.info Leeza Coleman here is the CAT URINE ACIDIFYING INFO...http://www.vegepets.info/diets/ |
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Paula Franklin I am so pleased to see your positive attitude to vegan catfood. What we need....what helps all of us..are the experiences...the stories....and so ? i hope YOU will join in the VEGAN CAT TALES ! and start a story page of your cats too. Others MUST join in too. As i only let my cat out under supervision and it is so wet she is not liking even brief front garden outings....I did think lol do NOT go get a SPLAT on the road I need you to continue alive for years lol for the Vegan Cat Tales lol ! I did a stupid thing recently...bought some CATGRASS seeds from Veggiepets and scattered them on my herbs and plants outside....had to rip loads of grass out as they grew in a few days bushy everywhere....a plantpot indoors is best. NOT my rubber plant pot that my cat decided to use as a LITTER TRAY and dug up the roots of until I covered it. That was when i put some white crystal material in her litter tray that she did not like I add. So I stick to wood chippings..that i use as extra compost in the garden after used. VEGAN PET POOH IS HEALTHY FOR PLANTS ! unlike the non vegan pooh. Keep it away from house as it still does smell nasty lol. |
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But who of us....when we had rabbit pets and pet dogs and cats....did not have the mental cognitive dissonance of feeding those very same animals to our cats and dogs ? our minds block out what suits us. Out of sight...out of mind issue. Just like when people eat lambs chickens as pieces of food on plates unrecognisable from the animals they once were. |
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whoops well there was the comment i made on his Vet group page when some posted their RABBITS lol...his group was named specifically DOGS AND CATS so the rabbit pet owners were out of place posting there to a crowd feeding RABBITS to their cats and dogs I commented lol I made that same comment on a PETS AT HOME shops page post....told them all that fuss over selling rescue pet rabbits in their shops right next to RABBIT CONTENT PETFOODS for cats and dogs was inefficient.....simply feed the rabbits to the dogs ? or was it about maximising shop floor space to SELL things ? |
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oh jeah...well how did i get into discussions with VETS on vegan cats etc recently ? well some of them went around posting those erroneous media articles about GO TO JAIL false quotes of the RSPCA in the UK....so i had to reply....felt a bit uncomfortable facing up to VETS of course until ? i realised they did not themselves reaise TAURINE WAS VEGAN as standard in petfoods ! The day I went into one of my local vets...whose facebook members i add went into MELTDOWN DELIGHT posts about reporting me to the RSPCA when those media false articles came out....which the vet himself did not read properly to know it was nonsense...the day i arrived for a spay of my kitten....aborted i add as her weight at 6 months was not 2kg which he had failed to inform prior to the appointment...but hey....the switchboard people making the appointment did not know the PRICE of a spay either which irritated me as i said to them at the time....GET A PRICELIST in front of you surely ! anyway..once he blurted anti vegan cat feeding during our talk....i insisted on a blood test of the kitten...he was not in favour said unless SICK he did not do blood tests ! but i insisted ....results came in minutes later...he then goes online to VEGGIEPETS website to read about the petfood lol ! The next time a SPAT arrives on the group...which i left after making enough points....he says...he does not CARE WHERE TAURINE COMES FROM lol ! obviously he had by then realised i was right but did not want to see the relevance of this important matter. ps oh I did him a final PM to say...i would never come again to his practise as I had lost TRUST that he might KILL my cat just to make a point. I had her spay done at another vet. |
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ps i do add re reading what i had previously written on my webpage where i include that link that i have read LOWER protein helps alleviate crystals in cats and for sure when i took a look at the contents of the prescription diets for cats with those problems the protein levels were lower than 33 percent that is the standard in most catfoods. |
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here was a link of one of the studies i found on this matter...Cats more than Dogs genetically as a species have more Kidneys health problems. WILD AND DOMESTIC ONES ! contrary to the BARF mad nutters claims that the water content of Flesh is enough for CATS...it turns out...WILD CATS suffer from Renal meaning Kidneys health problems bigtime...74 percent average hey. FLESH fed wild lions with Kidney problems ? how can that be ? toxins in the flesh they eat ? lack of water ? |
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It is time....if they have time...and if I prepare a questionaire to guide them..for the vegan cat experts in nutrition and specific cat issues to do a radio talk on the MYTHS that have grown about vegan cats getting uti struvite crystals more than non vegan fed cats...because from evidence seen by me this is NOT the case but an easy conclusion to jump to seeing some cases of these in the smaller population of vegan fed cats to non vegan fed cats around. I have personally spent as explained enough time on the non vegan fed cat groups and reading of scientific articles to know that non vegan cats get crystals bigtime....30 percent risk level it is for them so probably that level for domestic cats generally. I did find it is 87 percent and 74 percent present in autopsies of wild zoo lions etc ! fed raw diets ! uti/renal/kidney diseases to be specific. This is...a cat species feline species genetic weaknesss therefore I suggest. The vets i recently posted those studies to were rather astonished at those articles i found i add. Tried to blame ZOO conditions even in denial....for sure animals in zoos are more stressed...but they are also better fed than in the wild I pointed out. Until then...these vets were into the mantra of DRY IS BAD argument of course and so many pet cat websites blame modern petfoods for domestic cats having 30 percent uti problems but when we dig more we discover it is FAR LESS than the wild lions raw fed ones ! |
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oh i did not add any VACCINATIONS done. well cats have some specifics. many indoor cats or fiv cats do not vaccinate i add to my knowledge. i vaccinate i add. |
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right...just replied on email to someone with several vegan fed cats as to what to write in the story for her page or pages....right...well do it freestyle your ideas best and style |
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HOWEVER ! surely....when we realise...TAURINE the "i need protein" human equivalent spout against feeding cats vegan is VEGAN...we can RELAX about feeding cats vegan ! |
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ps i added the comment on the website comments section not the group....not wishing to get myself banned too quickly again lol for mentioning the words VEGAN CATFOOD lol the comment is awaiting moderation to be published lol...what are the bets it will not appear ? we do not want the word VEGAN added to TAURINE hey ! |
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kittencaretips.us hilarious...just saw new post in a general dogs and cats health group i am in....post was this link....about choosing kitten food criteria...so i added this comment lol..."yes check TAURINE is quantified and on the ingredients...this is vegan synthetic in all so labelled catfoods btw. It is taking a RISK to buy catfood without that on the label. I buy VEGAN catfood where that essential nutrient is clearly stated." https://kittencaretips.us/ |
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ps not relevant i do not think to CATS but the dogworld currently is experiencing a MASSIVE HEART DCM health increased problems in dogs. Turns out...GRAIN FREE is the cause ! amazing hey....all those anti grains myths are giving dogs heart diseases ! |
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It is not possible...to publically sell petfood that has not the appropriate species nutrients and digestibility etc criteria ! that many have crap and toxins and antibiotics that result in recalls are the tip of the iceberg of course....many cats eating that crap do not die but just get sick. |
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ps lol at the immediate replies to my comments made in reply to "what do you feed your cat" threads where i put VEGAN Ami Benevo and sometimes lentils recipy of Compassion Circle....i got horror reactions....and comments repeated robotically....OBLIGATE CARNIVORES....CATS NEED MEAT....i kept having to reply....well obviously NOT or my cat and others would be SUPERNATURAL BEINGS. People IGNORE the commment TAURINE is VEGAN in all petfoods....they IGNORE the reality of seeing real life vegan cats....and then post GO TO JAIL articles in the press in the UK that i have to explain miss out the IMPORTANT DETAIL of WHO in the RSPCA that denied the statements made those false statements...that PETFOOD AUTHORTIES cannot allow public sales of inappropriate for species petfoods....all that jazz. |
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ps scchhh but having yesterday read on a thread on non vegan cats group the list of foods they were feeding their cats.....i went to see a blue buffalo one named....and ? what do i just read on their website ? HOW TO DEAL WITH OXALATE UROLYTH CRYSTALS ! surgery...medication....Struvite crystals form because of high levels of magnesium phosphate, so your vet will recommend a low magnesium diet thatacidifies urine. Calcium oxate crystals require a diet producing more alkaline urine. oh here we go again...remedies suggested....pulsatilla and aconite...PLANTS. Well not suggesting those one is a poison in large doses....but it goes to show...plant remedies are used to cure these obligate carnivore health issues. |
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she was hassling me lol about doing better design PAGES for her precious vegan cats lol....did not like my start page design...i replied well OK but give me some MEAT to work on excuse the expression meaning STORIES ! ps the bible misuses the word MEAT for FOOD often i add in Genesis even the word MEAT is wrongly translated for FOOD |
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I have just pm message from a several vegan cats owner....instructed by me to send me more stories and details for our VEGAN CAT TALES online book ! right...she just replied she has VIDEOS to send too ! great ! |
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Paula Franklin Struvite crystals can occur due to lack of moisture in the diet if a cat eats a dry food and doesn't drink enough water. I have never had this problem with my cat Roger even when he eats dry he drinks plenty of water, never had any problems with him peeing even when his ph 7 was higher than the range. |
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Paula Franklin we do not have enough reports to know ...what i have read is it is STRUVITES....caused by too alkaline urine...which is exactly the same as the most common crystals in non vegan fed cats. It seems clear the balance of acidity is a genetic cat problem therefore...the non vegan petfoods alkalinised more the petfoods to relieve the more common years ago oxalite crystals and ended up now with more struvites. So we are the same imho. |
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With dry food...I agree having realised LIQUID intake is a problem with low thirst drive felines as a species....wet is better...BUT ! big BUT ! once a cat is used to dry....they become DRY CRACK ADDICTS and do not WANT to eat moist food ! i had that experience...i thought oh buy Benevo Duo wet canned food....i put that in front of my kitten who had eating DRY for some weeks....and she refused it ! she likes to crunch ! and i saw many cats prefer to crunch dry....so giving them coconut milk and running filtered water is important. I add my cat demands i turn the sink tap on when i am sat on the toilet nearby so she likes to drink running water. A neighbour of mine has dirty still water outside...one day i say well that is dirty needs changing..he replies...no the cat prefers to drink when it has been standing a while ! we are perplexed about all these cat foibles hey ! |
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well there is another problem....the dry food issue. I just yesterday joined some general cats groups...busy seeing the ANGER emocons to my introduction of my vegan fed cat of course...often get BANNED eventually there....but spend enough time there to see the huge number of uti problems and the VEGAN remedies greatly as solutions suggested lol. however..this one group had a long set of RULES ....1st is...NO FOOD BASHING 2nd NO INDOOR CAT BASHING..those create the biggest ROWS in the cat groups. The RAW FEEDERS are like in the general dog groups very very vociferous and reply.....FEED RAW to ANY problem One day to make you laugh...i saved the thread....a dog arrives in a dog health group with 14 health problems list. FIRST advice is ? FEED RAW ! 100 comments later one reads the dog IS fed raw and has all these health problems lol ! i add that the problems of that dog were not really DIET related but as I dared comment...BREED RELATED...it was a GREAT DANE ! Deutsche Dogge....the Germans call that dog a German not a Dane...anyway....i wrote simply....GREAT DANES ARE A VET BILL WAITING TO HAPPEN ! they all die of stomac torsions and heart weakness problems...my sister lost 4 of them like that. |
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i had a non vegan fed cat in the past who passed blood so uti problems in her urine....it was the vet said caused by STRESS not diet i add. Plenty non vegan fed cats get these problems. My solution for her was letting her live with relatives lol....i adopted her under pressure one day at a French rescue ...a black adult cat the least adopted colour in rescues....anyway....kittens take better to dogs than adult cats. |
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and as i mentioned...Mike Creighton who has an adopted Male cat with FIV disease he is the one recently who had a pH urine test of 7 that he sorted in 1 day by the peas to acidify the urine. Now there are many remedies for these uti problems...vitaminC...cranberries...Evol |
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Paula Franklin exactly ! now i was just replying on pm to a vegan at owner of several vegan fed cats not happy with my first attempt at pages of the vegan cats....and i just replied as i do to you...we WANT the stories...give me your story of how your non vegan fed male cat had to have that operation ! and with the link i provided to the scientists explaining WHY males get those problems....we can have VEGAN CAT TALES stories pages....this would help other cat owners greatly imho |
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Noelle Obcarskas Yes I had a cat (rip Fellini) that had to have that operation where they cut the tip of the penis so the opening is bigger. He never had a problem again after that. Would have to look at the existing studies or observations of vets with vegan cat patients. |
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hi I just replied above to the questions of male cats and uti issues...i would say ...i still believe from examples and what reasons i have read are...male cats are more prone to crystals than females due to their physiology...but that i do not believe vegan diets are more risky it has become a MYTH i believe to think so forgetting the non vegan male cats get these crystals bigtime. |
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Well I'll tell ya what I think -- given the huge increase in animal diseases (cancer, diabetes, etc.) and how the disgusting conventional pet food is surely causing them, I'd say whatever the monitorable downsides of vegan pet food are, on balance an animal is alot better off eating clean and nutritionally sound vegan food. I've learned that it's not the source (animal flesh) that matters, it's the nutrition. I plan to take the leap soon to vegan cat food. Just have had to hold off because of several cats in the home prior, some senior and male. I'm also into rescue and foster. Gets too crazy, and expensive. Really don't want to do a guinea pig thing on my babes. But if vegan food is pretty safe for females I feel comfortable doing that. Sadly I am down to three now, two mid-age females and one senior male with early stage CKD. |
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hi just saw the questions....1. no the long lived cats included the male Siamese cat example..Poppy who died not long ago just short of his 20th birthday. http://vegan-information.com/ |
THOSE WERE THE AFTER THE TALK COMMENTS....now THE BEFORE THE TALK COMMENTS....
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